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The One-ness of God
LDS Beliefs
The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-Day Saints in no way needs to justify from the Bible that our
Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are two distinct persons. The Church is
built upon the fact that they both—at the same time—appeared to Joseph Smith in
the spring of 1820. If that one fact is not true, then the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has nothing to stand on; it is foundational
to the Church of Jesus Christ.
Nevertheless, since you
may not at this time believe Joseph Smith's story, and since the focus of this
site is to determine whether or not "Mormons" are Christian, and if "Mormon"
beliefs are biblical, we’ll look at what the Bible says. Let's begin by
answering a few questions:
Do "Mormons" believe that
God is one God?
Yes, "Mormons"
are monotheistic.
Do "Mormons" believe that
God is three separate and distinct beings (The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)?
Yes.
And "Mormons" claim that the
Bible agrees with this?
Yes.
How can this be?
The answers are found
in the Bible.
One-ness. What Doesn’t it
Mean to Be "One"
It’s critical that we talk
about "one-ness" in the scriptures. What does it mean to be one?
Better yet, let’s start out with what it doesn’t mean.
It does not mean
that you are one being. How do we know this? Let’s read from John
17 in the New Testament:
John 17: 11, 21-23
11 And now I am no more in the world, but
these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own
name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
21 That they all may be one; as thou,
Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I
have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they
may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me,
and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
When Jesus said "that they
may be one, as we are" he was not talking about being one physical body,
whether in this life or in the next. Is Jesus' plea to Heavenly Father that our physical bodies become one single
body and literally move and be one person? No, that’s ridiculous.
Neither is Jesus talking about His and His Father’s physical bodies being one. Do
we become one physical body in the resurrection? Of course not—we are
resurrected as ourselves, except with individual, purified, glorified bodies. Many
resurrected individuals have been seen, including Jesus (see Matthew 27:52-53, 1 Corinthians 15:3-8). It has never even
been suggested in scripture that they were one physical body in the
resurrection.
So in the passage "that
they may be one, as we are" Jesus is talking about spiritual
oneness. Jesus and His Father are one in spirit and one in will.
Jesus lived perfectly the will of His Father and His God; Jesus would never do anything against His Father's will. We can be
one while at the same time being separate persons. Similarly, Jesus and "[His] God" (see John 20:17 below) can be (and are) one while at the same time separate persons.
Jesus Prayed to His Father; Referred to
His Father
and His God
Before His death, Jesus
not only prayed to His God, but acknowledged that His God did not seem to be
with Him as he had in the past:
Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried
with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani, that is to say, My
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
After His resurrection,
Jesus spoke of ascending up to His God and Father:
John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her [Mary Magdalene],
Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Remember, at this point, Jesus was a resurrected physical Being saying that He was going to ascend to another place to His Father. If Jesus Christ is God (which He is) and he has a God (which he said he does), that adds up to two personages. But if those two personages are one in spirit, then are they not one God? Jesus Himself said he was one with the father:
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are
one.
One is not always a Physical One
If you always take the word
"one" in the Bible as meaning a physical oneness, then you must also believe
the people spoken of in Acts 4:32 literally shared the same heart organ and had
the same soul:
Acts 4:32
32 And the multitude of
them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither
said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his
own; but they had all things common.
...and perhaps also you
believe there is a large, invisible blood vessel that connects all of our
circulatory systems, so that we literally share the same blood:
Acts 17:26
26 And hath made of one
blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and
hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
...and maybe you even
believe that we lose our gender (and physical separateness) when we become
Christian—that we literally are no longer men and women:
Galatian 3:28
28 There is neither Jew
nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for
ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
...and you believe that
Paul wanted us to all combine our minds into a single physical mind and our
mouths literally into one physical mouth so that we can be unified in prayer
unto God:
Romans 15:6
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
...and again with the
single physical mind:
2 Corinthians 13:11
11 Finally, brethren,
farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one
mind, live in peace; and the God of love and
peace shall be with you.
OK, the point has been made. Obviously the word "one"
in the scriptures is not always a numerical/physical one.
But the Old Testament says "One God"
It is true that the Old
Testament says that there is one God (as does the New Testament and as do we!). Remember,
those of us that believe that Jesus is God and that His Father, a separate
being, is God still believe they are one God! Let’s look at
one of the most oft quoted passages:
Isaiah 44:6, 8
6 Thus saith the LORD the
King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am
the last; and beside me there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be
afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even
my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
[People that quote this
to say that God is a single being usually stop there. Don’t stop there;
keep reading!]
9¶ They that make
a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not
profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may
be ashamed.
10 Who hath
formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11 Behold, all his
fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be
gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be
ashamed together.
As mentioned most people
that quote this passage usually stop after verse 8. But to get the full
context of verses 6 and 8 you must read verses 9, 10, and 11. Those last
verses explain why it was even necessary to talk about the Lord being
one. The people of the time were being influenced to bow down to false
gods and idols. The Lord is saying that there is one God (not one being) to
worship (not gods of wood and stone), and that was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It was a
reminder not to have any other gods or idols besides God.
Isaiah 43:10-12
10 Ye are my
witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know
and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God
formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
12 I have declared, and
have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you:
therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
People often quote Isaiah
43:10-11. They don’t read verse 12, which adds a lot to the meaning of
the scripture. Why is he talking about a god (in NIV it is lowercase)
being formed? Isaiah was living in a time when the people were surrounded
by idol worshipping people. The Israelites were often tempted to bow down
to these foreign gods. (see Isaiah 44:10 where the same language is used
about forming a god or idol)
Isaiah 43:12 (NIV)
I have revealed and saved
and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses," declares the
LORD, "that I am God.
Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD
our God is one Lord:
At first this appears that
this supports the "one being" concept. But interestingly, when you look
at the Hebrew, it actually supports separate persons. The Hebrew for
Deuteronomy 6:4 (often referred to in Judaism as "the Shema") is "Shema, Israel, Jehovah Elohaynu, Jehovah echod." "Shema" means
"Hear". "Elohaynu" is a plural form of God. "Echod" in Hebrew
indicates multiple things existing in a bonded relationship. If the
author had wanted to indicate oneness in number he would have used the word
Yachid instead of Echod. Echod is used, for example, when the Lord
commands man and wife to be "one" flesh. So this scripture could be
validly translated "Hear Israel, Yahweh our Gods are one [as man and wife, though separate,
are one] Yahweh" (There is still much debate about the meaning of
Yahweh. There is a lot of consensus that it means something close to
"Self-existing")
Isaiah 45:20-22
20 ¶ Assemble
yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the
nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image,
and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21 Tell ye, and
bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared
this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not
I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a
Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and
be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there
is none else.
Again, as verse 20
attests, Isaiah is speaking in a time when people are bowing down to gods that
are graven images of wood and stone. And when our belief says that God is one, we just don’t have a problem with this scripture. There is no God
besides God because Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one, just
as we can be one with them as Jesus prayed we would. For this world,
salvation comes through one, which is Jesus Christ. There is one Savior
for us and no other. Verse 22 makes it clear that the Lord is talking to
the (polytheistic) nations of the earth.
Isaiah 46:9
9 Remember the former
things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
But read the verses before verse 9.
5 ¶ To whom will ye liken
me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
6 They lavish gold out
of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and
he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
7 They bear
him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he
standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto
him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
8 Remember
this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye
transgressors.
9 Remember
the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
These words are saying
that the people make gods of gold to worship. But there is
one God that we should worship, and that God is the Father of Heaven and his
Son, Jesus the Messiah, and the Holy Spirit, who were explicitly shown to be
separate entities in the New Testament because they were seen/heard separate
from each other.
The following scripture
just reemphasizes that people are prone to worship the works of their own hands
rather than the one true God and His perfect Son who thought it not robbery to
be equal with Him. [REF to Philippians 2:5-11]
Isaiah 2:8,18
8 Their land also is full
of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own
fingers have made:
18 And the idols he shall
utterly abolish.
Biblical Scriptures on God's Oneness
The following table contains Biblical scriptures that speak to
the one-ness of God. Scriptures that have an icon in the "Separate Beings" seem to suggest that they are separate beings. Scriptures with an icon in the "One Being (Trinity)" column seem to suggest they are one being, or at least the scripture has been used by many to try to prove this. If there is something that calls this into question, the icon will have a "?" next to it, with notes explaining why in the Notes column.
Summary:
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Supports concept of separate beings |
97 |
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Supports concept of Trinity |
6 |
? |
Used by many to try to support Trinity, but there are problems |
10 |
Separate Beings |
One Being (Trinity) |
Reference |
Scripture Text |
Notes |

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Genesis 1:26 |
26 ¶ And God said, Let
us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them
have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and
over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in
his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them. |
Who was God talking
to? We don’t know if it was Jesus. But we can assume that whoever
it was, it was not a "non-God", since the scriptures say that "God created
man in his own image" (i.e. man was not created in the image of God and a
unicorn, for example)
Then God [plural Elohim]
said, Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in our [plural pronoun] image,
according to our [plural pronoun] likeness... |
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Genesis 3:22 |
And the LORD God said,
Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and
now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat,
and live for ever: |
Then Yahweh God [plural
Elohim] said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us [plural pronoun],
knowing good and evil... |
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Genesis 11:7 |
Go to, let us go down,
and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s
speech. |
Come, let Us [plural
pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural verb form] their language, so that
they will not understand one another’s speech. |
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?
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Deuteronomy 4:27-31, 35,
39 |
27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall
be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28 And there
ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither
see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29 But if from thence thou shalt
seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek
him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30 When thou
art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in
the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not
forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy
fathers which he sware unto them.
...
35 Unto thee it was
shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
...
39 Know therefore this
day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in
heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. |
As is almost
always the case when the Old Testament writings mention there being "one
God" (see v. 35), it is said in the context of the other gods of other nations (see v.
28). In this beautiful scripture God demonstrates that he will never
forsake his people if they will turn to Him, away from the other Gods.
And we know—because the New Testament makes it abundantly clear—that God is
our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, who, while
three beings, are yet one God.
Incidentally, Moses 1:6 says "...there is no God beside me...". Yes, our own scriptures say this. But remember these scriptures were brought forth by someone--Joseph
Smith--that unambiguously said that our Father in Heaven and Jesus His Son are two
separate beings. Did Joseph then contradict himself? No. Because The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost--while separate beings--are yet one God.
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Deuteronomy 6:4 |
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one Lord: |
See explanation above
about how this is the same Hebrew word God uses when commanding that Man and
Wife be "one flesh" (two become one yet remain two individuals) |
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Deuteronomy 32:12,15-21,36-39 |
12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with
him.
...
15 ¶ But
Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick,
thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and
lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16 They
provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked
they him to anger.
17 They
sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new
gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18 Of the Rock
that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19 And when
the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and
of his daughters.
20 And he
said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for
they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21 They
have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked
me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those
which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
...
36 For the
LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he
seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
37 And he
shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
38 Which did
eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings?
let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
39 See now
that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with [besides
(or "apart from")] me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I
heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. |
Note that in verses 37
and 38 he talks contrastingly to the false gods. So the paraphrase
would be "There are no other gods (such as idols) apart from the God of
heaven"
[NIV – note that it is
not "with me" but "besides me" in this translation]
37 He will say:
"Now where are their gods,
the rock they took refuge in,
38 the gods who
ate the fat of their sacrifices
and drank the wine of their drink offerings?
Let them rise up to help you!
Let them give you shelter!
39 "See now
that I myself am He!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand. |
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2 Samuel 22:32 |
32 For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God? |
This scripture, paraphrased, might say, "Who is God except Jehovah?" The people of Old Testament times only knew of Jehovah. They were not given everything since they were not ready for the higher. They were given the 10 commandments and the law of Moses. Jesus (Jehovah) came later to give more knowledge and a higher law. He taught us, who were hopefully more ready than our predecessors, of the Father. |
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1 Kings 8:60 |
60 That all the
people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that
there is none else. |
The first part of
the verse is key—he’s saying that all these nations that worship the many
false gods may know there is only one God, the God of Heaven. |
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Isaiah 37:14-23 |
14 ¶ And
Hezekiah received the letter from the hand of the messengers, and read it:
and Hezekiah went up unto the house of the LORD, and spread it before the
LORD.
15 And
Hezekiah prayed unto the LORD, saying,
16 O LORD of
hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth:
thou hast made heaven and earth.
17 Incline
thine ear, O LORD, and hear; open thine eyes, O LORD, and see: and hear all
the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent to reproach the living God.
18 Of a
truth, LORD, the kings of Assyria have laid waste all the nations, and their
countries,
19 And
have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the
work of men’s hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.
20 Now
therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of
the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.
21 ¶ Then
Isaiah the son of Amoz sent unto Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of
Israel, Whereas thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria:
22 This is the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter
of Zion, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter
of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.
23 Whom hast
thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of
Israel. |
This scripture also is
talking about the gods of the the kingdoms of the earth. |
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Isaiah 43:10-15 |
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may
know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was
no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
12 I have
declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the
LORD, that I am God.
13 Yea,
before the day was I am he; and there is none that can
deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
14 ¶ Thus
saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have
sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans,
whose cry is in the ships.
15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. |
See discussion above |
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Isaiah 45:20-22 |
20 ¶ Assemble
yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the
nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image,
and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21 Tell ye, and
bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath
declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a
Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me,
and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there
is none else. |
See discussion above |
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Matthew 1:23 |
23 Behold, a
virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call
his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God
with us. |
This suggests Jesus was
God at the time he was on the earth. And he prayed to His God and referred
to the Father as "My God". |
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Matthew 3:16-17 |
16 And Jesus,
when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the
heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am
well pleased. |
Jesus is on the
earth. The Spirit of God descends from Heaven. And a voice also
comes from heaven. |
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Matthew 6:9 |
9 After this
manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. |
He prays many times to
Father who is IN heaven. (This may be debateable because of "the kingdom of God is within [among] you"-Luke 17:21) However, he does not say "kingdom of Heaven" but "kingdom of God". Also John 6:33 suggests that heaven is apart
from the earth since Jesus came "down" from there: "33 For the bread of God is he
which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world." Also see John 6:38. |
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Matthew 10:32-33 |
32 Whosoever
therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my
Father which is in heaven.
33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my
Father which is in heaven. |
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Matthew 11:25-27 |
25 ¶ At that
time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and
earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and
hast revealed them unto babes.
26
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the
Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. |
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Matthew 10,19,35-35 |
10 Take heed
that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in
heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in
heaven.
19 Again I
say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing
that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in
heaven.
34 And his lord
was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that
was due unto him.
35
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your
hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. |
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Matthew 26:39-42 |
39 And he went
a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father,
if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but
as thou wilt.
40
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto
Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father,
if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. |
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Matthew 26:53 |
53 Thinkest
thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? |
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Mark 10:6-9 |
6 But from
the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this
cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain
shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What
therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. |
The principle of
one-ness: Two can be one, but they are still two...and one at the same
time. |
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Mark 12:29-33 |
29 And Jesus answered
him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord
our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love
the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is
none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said
unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and
there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with
all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and
with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more
than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. |
This is the Shema.
See discussions on the Shema and one-ness. |

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Mark 14:36 |
36 And he
said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou
wilt. |
Jesus submits His will
to His Father’s will |
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Mark 16:19
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19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto
them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
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Luke 10:21-22 |
21 ¶ In that hour
Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven
and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and
hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy
sight.
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who
the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. |
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Luke 22:29 |
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; |
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Luke 23:46 |
46 ¶ And
when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father,
into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. |
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John 4:24 |
24 God is a Spirit: and they that
worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. |
If God (the Father) is a
Spirit (only) and Jesus Christ is physical (since he was resurrected), and the
Holy Ghost is a Spirit, they would be three separate beings. |

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John 5:17-37 |
17 ¶ But
Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore
the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the
sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal
with God.
19 Then
answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son
can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what
things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself
doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so
the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the
Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He
that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him
that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation;
but is passed from death unto life.
25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead
shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as
the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in
himself;
27 And
hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son
of man.
28
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the
graves shall hear his voice,
29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment
is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father
which hath sent me.
31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
32
¶ There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the
witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
33 Ye sent
unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34
But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might
be saved.
35 He was a
burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in
his light.
36
¶ But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the
Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of
me, that the Father hath sent me.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of
me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. |
Interesting that the
Father, at some point, had given Jesus the gift of having life in himself
(v26)
v. 37: Jesus speaks
these words to the Jews that are accusing him of doing something wrong on the
Sabbath. |

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John 6:32-33 |
32 Then
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that
bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the
bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the
world. |
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John 6:38-40 |
38 For I
came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that
sent me.
39
And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he
hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last
day.
40 And this
is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at
the last day. |
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John 6:46 |
46 Not that
any man hath seen the Father,
save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. |
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John 6:57 |
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by
the Father: so he that
eateth me, even he shall live by me. |
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John 6:69 |
69 And we
believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. |
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John 7:16-18 |
16 Jesus answered them,
and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any
man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God,
or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that
speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory
that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. |
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John 8:15-16 |
15 Ye judge
after the flesh; I judge no man.
16 And yet
if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father
that sent me. |
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John 8:18 |
18 I
am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. |
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John 8:19 |
19 Then said
they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus
answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if
ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. |
You could say: "See?
Knowing One means knowing the Other. That must mean they’re the same."
But this is
weak because the One-ness doctrine also allows for this, even though they are
separate Beings. |

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John 8:26-29 |
26 I have
many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true;
and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They
understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28 Then said
Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know
that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my
Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he
that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do
always those things that please him. |
Jesus’ Father taught him |

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John 8:38 |
38 I
speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your
father. |
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John 8:42 |
42 Jesus said
unto them, If God were your Father, ye would
love me: for I proceeded forth and
came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. |
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John 8:54 |
54 Jesus
answered, If I honour myself, my honour is
nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: |
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John 10:17-18 |
17 Therefore doth
my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man
taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my
Father. |
Does one being command
itself? |
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John 10:30 |
30 I and my Father are one |
Any scriptures that talk
about "one-ness" are dismissed by the first argument made above regarding
John 17: 11, 21-23 |

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John 10:36-7 |
36 Say ye of him, whom the
Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest;
because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do
not the works of my Father, believe me not. |
Does one sanctify
himself? Does one send himself? |
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John 10:38 |
38 But if
I do, though ye believe
not me, believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. |
This is
"one-ness". See notes on John 17:21-23 |

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John 11:41 |
41 Then they took away
the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus
lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I
thank thee that thou hast heard me. |
Does one being pray to
Himself? |

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John 12:27-8 |
27 Now is my soul
troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this
cause came I unto this hour.
28 Father,
glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. |
The Father speaks from
heaven while the Son is praying on the earth. There is a response from
One Being to Another. |

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John 12:49-50 |
49 For I
have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me
a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak
therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. |
The Father "sent" His
son. The Father "commanded" His Son. The Father "said" things to
the Son. |

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John 13:1-3 |
1 Now before
the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he
should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own
which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 And supper
being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot,
Simon’s son, to betray him;
3 Jesus
knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was
come from God, and went to God; |
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John 14:7-11 |
7 If ye had known
me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and
have seen him.
8 Philip
saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus
saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not
known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest
thou then, Shew us the Father?
10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth
in me, he doeth the works.
11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else
believe me for the very works’ sake. |
[The next few verses I
cite from the same chapter dismiss this one. See notes on John 14:20,
for a correlation to verse 10]
If they were one Being,
wouldn’t he have said in v10 "I am the Father, and the Father is me"
The Father and Son are
so similar and so connected. See for example Hebrews 1:3. The Son
appears very much like His Father. |

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John 14:12 |
12 Verily,
verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on
me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father. |
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John 14:16-17 |
16 And I will
pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may
abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be
in you. |
v. 17: Interesting, in
other places Jesus says he has to go in order for the comforter to come. And
yet here it says that the Spirit (of truth) "dwelleth with you". |

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John 14:20 |
20 At that
day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and
I in you. |
We know that we will be
resurrected and have bodies that are physically separate from God.
Philippians 3:21 says: "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned
like unto his glorious body, according to
the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
Our body will not be Christ’s—it will be like His...i.e. separate.
So for us to be "in" Christ doesn’t mean to be one with Him in body. It
must mean to be one in Spirit. So also, then, for Christ to be "in my
Father" doesn’t mean for Him to be one with the Father in physical body. |

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John 14:24 |
24 He that
loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the
Father’s which sent me. |
If God were one being,
how could the word not be Jesus’ word? |

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John 14:26 |
26 But the
Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my
name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. |
Does one being send
Himself? |

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John 14:28 |
Ye have heard how I said
unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would
rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. |
Some say "greater" means
"above"... |

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John 14:31 |
31 But that
the world may know that I love the Father;
and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. |
Speaks in the 3rd person.
Does one being give Himself commandments? |

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John 15:1-2 |
1 I am the
true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every
branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he
purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. |
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John 15:9-10 |
9 As the
Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye
keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my
Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. |
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John 15:15 |
15
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but
I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have
made known unto you. |
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John 15:21 |
21 But all these
things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. |
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John 15:23 |
23 He that hateth
me hateth my Father also. |
This is weak in
supporting the Trinitarian notion. They are one God (though separate Beings);
of course people will hate one if they hate the other. |

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John 15:26 |
26 But when
the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even
the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall
testify of me: |
"...whom I will send
unto you from the Father..." This could be seen as supporting the idea
that Jesus is the Father. But it is by no means strong, since Jesus
knew and had said that he would be with the Father and be one with the
Father.
"the Spirit of truth,
which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" This has two
references to separateness: 1. the Spirit proceeds from the
Father. 2. the Spirit testifies of Jesus |

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John 16:7 |
7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I
depart, I will send him unto you. |
Trinitarians could say
that the Holy Ghost could not come to His followers unless Jesus left His
physical state and then was able to come as the Holy Ghost.
There are problems with
that, however. One is that Jesus says I will "send him unto you", which
indicates Jesus being in one place and the Holy Ghost going from Him the
place Jesus sent Him. Another is that there is no indication anywhere
that Jesus goes from his resurrected state to another spiritual state. |

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John 16:10 |
10 Of
righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; |
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John 16:13 |
13 Howbeit
when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all
truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but
whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will
shew you things to come. |
"Hear" from whom?
Certainly not an angel or some other being.It could only mean God. So the
passage could be accurately rephrased, "...for he shall not speak of himself,
but whatsoever he shall hear from the Father, that shall he speak" |

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John 16:27-28 |
27 For the
Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I
came out from God.
28 I came
forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the
world, and go to the Father. |
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John 16:32 |
32 Behold, the
hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be
scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I
am not alone, because the Father is with me. |
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John 17:1 |
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to
heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also
may glorify thee: |
Jesus looks up to Heaven
and prays to the Father. Does He really pray to Himself? |

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John 17:3, 18, 25 |
3 And this
is life eternal, that they might know thee
the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom
thou hast sent.
18 As thou
hast sent me into the world, even so
have I also sent them into the world.
25 O
righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known
thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. |
Sent means to have one
go do something apart from the one that sent. Does one send
himself? It would be against the nature of the word "send". |

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John 17:21-23 |
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they
also may be one in us: that the world may believe that
thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou
gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we
are one:
I in them, and thou in
me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. |
Is Jesus praying "that
they all may be one personage as we are one personage"? Do we
physically become a single personage? What about the resurrection, when
we receive our own separate, glorified body?
No, I think he’s saying,
as he clarifies in 23, "that they may be made perfect in one" That they
may be unified in one spirit, in a sense of love, thinking,
brotherhood/sisterhood, etc.
By the way, was He
praying to Himself?
See also 1 Corinthians
6:17 |

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John 18:11 |
11 Then said
Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? |
Does one give himself
something? |

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John 20:17 |
17 Jesus saith
unto her [Mary Magdalene], Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God. |
A resurrected physical
being (which is God) saying that he was going to ascend to another place to
His Father and to His God. |

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Acts 2:36 |
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath
made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. |
God made Jesus (who is
the Creator, i.e. God) Lord and Christ. |

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Acts 4:10 |
10 Be it
known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man
stand here before you whole. |
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Romans 1:7-9 |
7 To all
that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8 First, I
thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken
of throughout the whole world.
9 For God is
my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that
without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; |
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Romans 4:24 |
22 And therefore
it [his faith?] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it
was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for
us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him [The Father]
that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was
delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. |
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Romans 15:5-6 |
5 Now the
God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another
according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye
may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our
Lord Jesus Christ. |
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1 Corinthians 6:17 |
But he who is joined to
the Lord is one spirit. |
Oneness is a oneness of
spirit. When we are joined to the Lord, are we joined to His marvelous
resurrected body? My belief is that we are not. But I hope and
pray that I will be permitted, as the Twelve Apostles were permitted, to
kneel and touch the scars in His hands and feet. What a humbling moment
that will be.
John 6:56 says "He that
eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."
Again, oneness is
oneness of Spirit. Did the apostles, when they ate the bread, become
physically in him? No, the connection was spiritual. |

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1 Corinthians 8:4-6 |
4 As concerning
therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto
idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there
is none other God but one.
5 For though
there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be
gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there
is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we
in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and
we by him. |
One God (the Father) and
one Lord Jesus Christ (who is also God) |

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1 Corinthians
15:23-28 |
23 But every
man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are
Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he [Christ] shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even
the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and
power.
25 For he
must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last
enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he
hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put
under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things
under him.
28 And when
all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be
subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in
all. |
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2 Corinthians 1:2-3 |
2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus
Christ.
3
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the
Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; |
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2 Corinthians 11:31 |
31 The
God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not. |
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Galatians 1:1-5 |
1 Paul, an
apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the
Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all
the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus
Christ,
4 Who gave
himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according
to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. |
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Ephesians 1:3-6 |
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all
spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to
himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in
the beloved. |
Jesus has a God, and
Jesus has a Father. And Jesus is God! |

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Ephesians 1:15-23 |
15 Wherefore
I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the
saints,
16 Cease not
to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That
the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the
spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes
of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of
his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the
saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the
working of his mighty power,
20 Which he
wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at
his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above
all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is
named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath
put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head
over all things to the church,
23 Which is
his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. |
Paraphrased: "God raised
Jesus and set him on his right hand" |

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Ephesians 3:7-14 |
7 Whereof I
[Paul] was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual
working of his power.
8 Unto me,
who am less than the least of all saints, is this
grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of
the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the
intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According
to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom
we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
13 Wherefore
I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
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For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, |
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Ephesians 6:23 |
23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Philippians 1:2 |
2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Philippians 2:5-11 |
5 Let this
mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being
in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made
himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was
made in the likeness of men:
8 And being
found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto
death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore
God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every
name:
10 That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory
of God the Father. |
When it says Jesus was
"in the form of God", I take that to mean that Jesus was not God (the Father)
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Colossians 1:2-3 |
2 To the
saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 We give
thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for
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Colossians 1:12-19 |
12 Giving
thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the
inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath
delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the
kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom
we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the *invisible God, the firstborn of every
creature:
16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions,
or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is
before all things, and by him all things consist.
18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the
preeminence.
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For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; |
*Note: the invisible God
is seeable:
John 6:46 Not that any
man hath seen the Father,
save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. |

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Colossians 3:17 (NKJV) |
17 And whatever you do
in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to
God the Father through Him. |
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1 Thessalonians 1:1 |
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and
peace, from God our Father,
and the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 |
11 Now God himself
and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.
12 And the
Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward
all men, even as we do toward you:
13 To the
end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our
Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. |
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2 Thessalonians 1:1-2,11-12 |
1 Paul, and
Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our
Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2 Grace unto
you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
11 Wherefore
also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the
work of faith with power:
12 That the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him,
according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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2 Thessalonians 2:16-17 |
16 Now our Lord
Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath
given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort
your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work. |
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1 Timothy 1:1 |
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; |
This scripture is
flagged as one supporting the Trinitarian notion. However, it may only be
speaking of Jesus, who, from a non-Trinitarian standpoint is also
God. Though separate beings, yet they are one God. The commandment to be an
apostle may only come from Jesus and not from the Father. (see Philippians
2:6, Hebrews 1:8) |

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1 Timothy 1:2 |
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus
Christ our Lord. |
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1 Timothy 2:5 |
5 For there
is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ
Jesus; |
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2 Timothy 1:2 |
2 To
Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from
God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. |
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Titus 1:3 |
3 But hath
in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto
me according to the commandment of God our Saviour; |
See note on 1 Timothy
1:1. This is not a problem. Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with
God (Philippians 2:6, Hebrews 1:8) |

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Titus 1:4 |
4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. |
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Philemon 1:3 |
3 Grace to
you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Hebrews 1:1-13 |
1 God, who
at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by
the prophets,
2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath
appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being
the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself
purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made
so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more
excellent name than they.
5 For unto
which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I
begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me
a Son?
6 And again,
when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the
angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of
fire.
8 But
unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and
ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast
loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy
God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy
fellows.
10 And,
Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens
are the works of thine hands:
11 They
shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a
garment;
12
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou
art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I
make thine enemies thy footstool? |
In verse 2: does one
inherit something from Himself?
In verse 3 it speaks of
Jesus sitting next to God, not sitting down as God (the Father).
In verse 8 God refers to
Jesus as God.
In verse 9 God refers to
Himself as "thy God" to Jesus. |

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Hebrews 5:5 |
5 So also
Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said
unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. |
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Hebrews 12:2 |
2 Looking
unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the
shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. |
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1 Peter 1:3 |
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his
abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, |
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1 John 1:3 |
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and
truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. |
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1 John 4:14-15 |
14 And we
have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the
Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever
shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in
God. |
He didn’t send Himself;
he sent the Son. |

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2 John 1:3 |
3 Grace be
with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth
and love. |
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Revelation 1:1-6 |
1 The
Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his
servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare
record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all
things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep
those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4 JOHN to
the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace,
from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven
Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from
Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first
begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that
loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And
hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. |
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Revelation 3:12 |
12 Him that
overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall
go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the
name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down
out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
(this is Jesus speaking—see v. 5) |
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Revelation 3:21 |
21 To him that
overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also
overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (this is Jesus speaking—see v. 5) |
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LDS Scriptures saying Jesus is the Father
There are several scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints that portray Jesus as "The Father:
Ether 4:12
12 And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me. I am the same that leadeth men to all good; he that will not believe my words will not believe me—that I am; and he that will not believe me will not believe the Father who sent me. For behold, I am the Father, I am the light, and the life, and the truth of the world.
Jesus does say "I am the Father", that is true. But note the words in the sentence just before that: "the Father who sent me".
So Jesus is the Father of us because of His atonement, but He also has a Father that sent him
here.
Chapter 15 of Mosiah is also a confusing one to some. It seems to say, in some points, that Jesus is the Father. Look at verse 4. Speaking of Jesus and Our Father in Heaven, it says:
Mosiah 15:4
4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
Our critics may point these out, saying we contradict ourselves in that our scriptures themselves say that Jesus is the Father. But we know it is because there is a closeness between the two beings (Jesus and Father in Heaven) that they truly are One God. I believe it is a closeness that we in this world find hard to comprehend.
We have no doubt about their individuality because these same scriptures were translated by one who saw them appear together at the same time as separate and individual beings.
Conclusion
The purpose of the above discussion is not to try to convince you from the Bible that our Father in heaven and Jesus are separate beings. Our purpose is always to try to break down the walls that prevent you from asking God if Joseph Smith really saw what he said he saw....to give you enough evidence that you will say, "OK, Joseph's story about seeing two personages standing above him is more plausible than I thought it even could be--I will ask God if it's true." Please do ask Him (assuming you are ready to act according to the answer you receive).
Notes
The term "Son" as an indication of a state of existence
It has been said the term
"Son" (in the context of Jesus as Son of the Father) is an indication of state
of existence as opposed to a relationship. Is this true? The answer
is no because even after the resurrection and glorification, he is still
referred to as "Son" (see 2 John 1:3,9 and 1 John 1:3 below). The Father/Son relationships still persists today!
2 John 1:3,9
3 Grace be
with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus
Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
9 Whosoever
transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that
abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
1 John 1:3
3 That which
we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship
with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son
Jesus Christ.
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